We got saved that day September 14, 2014. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. 2. How will you escape the judgment of hell? They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. Our By-Laws | lbc-up I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. 12. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. 10. See if you recognize any. I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) What an extensive list. 49. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? God forgave because Jesus saved. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. Oh well, maybe another discussion. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. I will have to argue that while on vacation we just go to church somewhere else rather than dashing home. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. As far as tithing is concerned, the people who do tithe, it should be because they tithe because they want to. Ephesians 2:8-9 Many of these are down right untruthful . Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. And Pastor of Bible-Believing, Fundamental, Independent. Believers in a free society should influence government toward righteousness, but should not make an unholy alliance for control, influence, or favors. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. around the world wherever our Lord directs. Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. Find a Church | IndependentBaptist.church The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. Baptists: 10 Important Things to Know About The Church Beliefs 8. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. 32. (2 Cor. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). The Bible gives qualifications for each office. Independent Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Again its too legalistic. WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. Doctrinal Statement - independentbaptist.church Assemble Anywhere KJV Churches For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. Duh Get your mind out of the gutter. There isn't much out there on the web. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. 38. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. 11. Jesus does that. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Ive addressed the scriptures about tithing in my article and explain it using proper exegesis and hermeneutics. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Forget the past and move on to do those things that shine light to the lost, edify the saints, and glorify God. It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). 30 Then you say, If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.. N/A If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. If you refuse to use any other Bible version than the KJV because you think its either too worldly, sinful or less accurate,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 4. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. I remember a particular lesson in church about the rod and staff. Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Whats wrong with a tract rack? 39. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. *gasp* Just kidding, just kiddingwe at least look for Baptist on the sign so were good . If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. 45. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. I know the answers now. While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. I have read other versions of the Bible. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Everyone has health issues. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: This is very good. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. God Bless. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. We had no money. If you party, DO NOT drink. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. 23. So I did. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. They have distinct responsibilities and operations. Not of works, lest any man should boast. We will never attain that on this side. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. The church never knew our problems but god did. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith He is the Head of the church. Baptist beliefs Independent Fundamental More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. Lol. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. What a stupid thing to say. For which is more importantthe gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin Thats not true. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. Independent Baptist - RationalWiki You got me I am an IFB college grad. If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. Apart from Him we can do nothing. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. You can be a better Christian IF you repent of your sins and turn away from them and if you can grow spiritually. 1. I dont see how. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. Then you have churches with no standards . How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? My pastor and his wife sent evil. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. We told to get married. The two are completely unrelated. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. I love this!! If your denomination knocked on their door im sure they wouldnt have gotten saved and the helped they needed. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. My jabs are defensive in nature. Scofield Bible!!!! If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. Thats not unique to the IFB. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 20 When you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. I only hope that you will see it before too long. If your church as at least 2 Revivals per year, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. God forgave my husband through Christ. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. I was taught that. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. Everyone as an individual should get right with God in whatever he has commanded them. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. OMG = Oh My Goodness! The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. Dress Standards For Christians (Pastor Tim I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5).
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