. I like wired operating systems. 2 mags are USA made and 2 mags are German made. What a failure and waste of serious talent. Grab a drink this might get long winded!! You can tell if you have the upgraded magazines by looking on the back of the magazine at the very bottom it will say V1, This is 25 yards in Benchrest conditions using Remington 230 gr. I once again was driving holes in a 1inch group from a standing position at 25 yards. I've only taken it out once. Thumb is talking about. Trick #1: Remove the thread cap Im just concerned about the accuracy. As for as how manageable and smooth it shoots I will admit I was a little head shy of the floating barrel and short recoil/delayed blowback design. The latter cant be accomplished due to the current state of our civil liberties but really it full auto fire rate is still a little too high. I've got a long time relationship with the company, so they take pretty good care of me. The most common delayed blowback is one implemented by H&K in MP-5 and G3. Keep Your Powder Dry. For moral support, I took a good high school friend of mine (we are in our 50s) that is a teacher and has no experience firing these type of weapons. They can be had for less than a kit built Romanian AK-47, whi. It is as gassy as my AR45 build. (gen 2) If so has the gun be reliable and accurate? Sounds stupid, but IME, its something that attracts a certain kind of idiot and, if you get one, guess who you end up attracting? $120.64. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. SMG .45 FEATURES: Fully Ambidextrous lower controls: AR Selector, bolt catch, grip and hammer/trigger allows easy operation for right or left handed shooters Innovative Paddle Style Mag release. And at 1/3 the price, I'm happy. On anything with a longer than 6 barrel, I agree with you. no info: . $30.00. No range time to proof any of this yet. PASS. Comes with two magazines. LWRC SMG UMP 45 Auto Magazine 25 Round. Not prone like in the video. If I had the opportunity and extra cash Id already own one. No odd flyer though. Reply More posts from r/LWRC. During firing and the initial steps . Add to Cart. All firearms ship from our APPROVED FFL Dealers. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. The Hide Armory. Edited by BenelliHunter (01/11/23 08:27 PM) Got the zero pretty much on but it was still scattered all over the target. let me add though regardless of your dominant hand everyone that I have let get familiar with it has really been blown away by how intuitive running it has been. It was very accurate with RD site out to almost 75yds until I saw big drop. Probably. I thought about saving up for one of these, and then thought more about it, I'd rather reach out to Tom Bostic or HK Ralph Jr. and build something. LWRC looks like they took what works: AR controls, AR parts (presumably), H&K magazines, and put on a side-charging handle and M-LOK abound. LWRL04-0056C01. Time will tell need to get to the range with it more. JavaScript is disabled. Add To Cart. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Same thing with the Scorpion EVO pistols. If money wasn't an issue, I'd get this gun in a heartbeat just for how cool it looks with that magazine. It includes panels to aid in gripping a hot firearm following continuous strings of fire and a handstop to prevent the user from shooting their hands similar to other backpack guns like the new Daniel Defense DDM4 Personal Defense Weapon (PDW). Is it classified as a pistol? 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For 3k price, I will go for a top of the line Wilson Combat AR pistol that takes glock mag AND with the rest of the money get a Glock 19 that also takes Glock mag. Garand Thumb did a review and he hated it. To be fair, Id bet you had the exact same level of bullshit with MP5s and other HK shit two decades ago when the Rainbow Six games were all the rage. Ships with 2 25 round US- manufactured UMP magazines with Paddle Style mag release for easy load and mag changes. The SMG 45's 8.5-inch cold hammer-forged chromoly steel barrel gives overall length of 26 inches; that shrinks to 15.25 inches with the pistol brace folded to the right of the receiver. The whole recoil system on the Vector is an interesting design and the one I shot was pretty nice, though it was a 9mm. B&T GHM45 and APC45 are excellent options. You must log in or register to reply here. Quick View. There have been multiple people claim the same issue. I spoke with a rep from LWRC probably around June or July and he said the initial feeding problems was a magazine issue and that they have fixed the accuracy/flyer issue. Click or two UP and Left and I removed all the paint from the 2" painted square and center punched the 1" square. My HK parts mags didn't have the V1 stamp. The barrel and bolt travel rearwards together for a short distance before unlocking, which delays the opening of the action and allows the pressure to drop and more of the gas and pressure to exit the muzzle rather than the ejection port. December 9, 2021 in Pistol Caliber Carbine. I have been thinking about one of these or the B & T apc 45 but both seem to have issues. Recoil is minimal and similar to well tuned AR, but way less blast. Weight is 5.9 pounds. You get all the muzzle velocity increase youll practically see with LWRCs barrel length, a caliber begging for a can, and a half-inch thumper of a bullet out the end. LWRCI SMG 45 Specifications Make: LWRC International Model: SMG 45 Action Type: short-recoil-delayed, blowback-operated, semi-automatic, center-fire pistol Chambering: .45 ACP . Its a delayed blowback system that will suppress well if the gun works as advertised. Login for Special Pricing. Mine is a late #2xx serial number with around 500 rounds to date. I've had a chance to play with mine a bit and I really like the whole setup. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. This is a great shooting little gun.. Classifieds 258 Location:Montgomery, Alabama Posted December 9, 2021 Only drawback to the B&T is the magazines are expensive. Meet the first model in the SMG Family - the new LWRCI SMG .45 Pistol . And since it looks heavily AR in its design, I wonder if its going to break trigger pins every 800 rounds like many other 9MM AR platform guns do. What am I doing wrong? Like the Glock 19x, Sig MCX Rattler, FN 509, and many other firearms originally developed for contracts, the LWRC SMG-45 popularity draws increasing demand from civilian customers. Display as a link instead, LWRC SMG 45 Problems Prudii Jul 28, 2020 5 3,392 Prudii PMMEYOURCZPICS Supporting Member Multi-Factor Enabled Joined Jun 11, 2017 Messages 1,442 Location Triad Rating - 100% 35 0 0 Jul 28, 2020 #1 TL;DW Significant accuracy issues across multiple guns with random flyers 10+ MOA away from point of aim. Fantastic trigger. The gun will not group better than 6 to 8 inch groups at 25yrds. Only trade would be a Vudoo sporter style .22 in great shape. But when you can have those 25 rounds hanging off the gun just forward the trigger then youve drastically changed a factor in caliber choice. You cannot paste images directly. Ive long been a proponent/advocate that as HK and Kriss did with their MP5/10mm and Kriss's 10mm, companies should take advantage of the fact they're making a shoulder fired weapon.. ie it aint a handgun thats difficult to control and, and should therefore produce SMG/PCC's in hot rounds like 10mm, .45 Super, .460 Rowland, .40 Super, 9x25 Dillon.. heck even 9x23mm and .357 SIG etc options would be sweet. Instead of a roller-delayed system found in Heckler & Koch's genre-defining MP5 subgun or the direct blow-back design found in many other submachine guns, the SMG-45 uses what LWRCI describes as a short-recoil action that includes a moving barrel. It was happening when shooting normally, as well as suppressed. Low recoil due to the delayed blowback system. Sorry, but what makes this better and more expensive than a B&T APC 45? They aren't the first to start trying to find a culprit part, tolerance, CNC machine, forge error, mold error, etc. We don't have a bias towards one brand or another but after handling and shooting both guns the B&T was our preference. One new winner* is announced every week! Ambi Selector Switch. http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa364/jgarcia2430/236C79EB-55C9-4B87-B867-C54EC77F836B_zpsaayxt15u.jpg, https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/-NIB-LWRC-SMG-45-4100-shipped/174-2130906/, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/62232/photo_2021-06-04_18-19-37_jpg-1978187.JPG. A total of two 25-round UMP magazines arrive with the LWRC SMG 45. I could go on and on with examples like thatcars, A/V equipment, etc. Payment Options: *. Or for that matter, are there any .45 ACP SMG's that can also run .45 Super? I was hoping the delayed blow back would be less gassy but it is not. Im a LWRC. I wouldnt drop that amount of money on one. Sexy AF, but early reports are less than stellar. you will not feel that way with the controls of the SMG-45 if you're left handed. Extremely smooth shooting 45 ACP. This is the one that had serious accuracy issues, right? We both shot 1 inch groups from the standing position. That indicates LWRC modified the magazine to work with the SMG-45. It has been operating flawlessly right out of the gate and seems to eat anything from regular target rounds to my duty carry +P rounds consistently without any issues. It's such a great little package on 45. The blowback design really reduces recoil. You can shoot a PCC much faster and more accurately than a pistol. Wife really enjoyed shooting which she is does not like shooting my .45 handguns for size and stability. $23.75. The LWRC SMG-45 is a Warbox Submachine Gun. I had been trying to get one for several months and finally just called LWRCI best idea I ever had because they were so great. LWRC SMG-45 Pistol. Ambidextrous features: Selector switch Magazine release Bolt catch/release "LWRC's innovation applied to the subgun world - very . Its an outstanding round to suppress, and efficient to run in 6-12 barrels. We've been shooting it next to the new B&T APC9 Pro and I have to say the recoil is very similar. Thanks in advance. At just under $3,000, this is a pretty expensive range toy with sub par accuracy. Most are using barrels longer than common handguns and would really take advantage of the hotter chamberings by getting that much more velocity. Just about the coolest looking piece of shit ever made. ). You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. 23 up to also run Super and have a idea of what it takes..?? They developed the gun for the government. Typical. And the former is accomplished by other PCCs half the price. The highly anticipated SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI. Thread starter Dschapp44; Start date Oct 24, 2019; Forums. They may have fixed the accuracy issue with the new models. Ive read all the reviews and videos. We don't have a bias towards one brand or another but after handling and shooting both guns the B&T was our preference. Helping that threaded muzzle be more effective when suppressed and greatly cutting down on felt recoil as compared to a straight blowback system is a unique delayed blowback mechanism. Magazines in mine feeding great now. Takes range time from my 1911's and other handguns with similar portability and much better accuracy at distance. You running it with a can? I was really looking forward to buying one soon but now I'm going to have to hold off. LWRCI SHORT RECOIL DELAYED BLOWBACK SYSTEM, LWRCI HIGH PERFORMANCE ALUMINUM AND STEEL CONSTRUCTION, LWRCI REVERSABLE NON-RECIPROCATING FOLDING CHARGING HANDLE, LWRCI 8.5 COLD HAMMER FORGED CHROMOLY STEEL BARREL, HARDCOAT ANODIZED NITRIDE NICKEL BORON SURFACE COATINGS THROUGHOUT, SHOOTS SUPPRESSED USING A BOOSTER/NEILSON DEVICE. I shoot with a SilencerCo Omega 45K (with Neilsen/Booster) and sight is a Vortex AMG UH1 and it's totally solid at 10 yards, 25 yards, 50 yards, and I've even had some fun hitting 24"x24" steel plates at 200 yards (about a 50% hit rate). LWRCI ICR5TG16SPRBT IC-SPR 556 16.1 BILLET TUNG. By popular demand, LWRC confirmed that they are working on a 9x19mm version of the SMG-45, but did not confirm a release date. Report a problem. Perfect truck gun for conceal. Fellow owners- any updates recently on accuracy or feeding? The Vector is just the new hotness. I keep coming back to look at that picture. Maybe get a good one or a dud hoping Lwrc knows whats causing it and is able to fix it . The issues poping up are a bit worrisome but I'm sure LWRC will get it straightened out. HKUMPUMP45. This baby eats everything and is now my full time travel companion (sorry mpx-k) totally worth the wait an the price. Gamers turn into airsofters who turn into practical rifle / 3 gun guys. Having fired the Vector (in .45) and the MP5K both with the giggle switch installed, Im partial to the Vector. Accuracy has been good not great, but Im still getting used to the short LOP of the brace. The stove pipe jams are consistent with a short recoil, the spent case hasn't come off the extractor before the bolt strips the next round and is returning to battery. Stove piped 3 out of 5 shots. Curious, do yall know if this one will handle .45 Super? Id pick this over my UMP45, just because of the trigger. Well, that and the 5K is just plain cool as hell. It looks the titties, 100% agree, but IMO anything that's $3k should eat whatever you feed it without bitching. Upload or insert images from URL. I have both German and US made and I see no difference in quality. (Which happens in under 2 seconds from a full giggle switch equipped Vector.) My buddy bought one. Subbed to stay abreast of its development. If your the person who want suppressors on everything, then 45 ACP and 300 AAC are your favorite choices. If any of you are looking for quality mags, HKparts just got more German HK UMP 45s magazines in. So Why would anyone buy this instead of a b&t apc45? These versions all come with an 8.5 barrel, the SB Tactical SBTi folding subgun brace and two 25-round magazines (or less capacity depending on how much Freedom your location allows). Other than that its a well made rifle. Theyll sell a lot more of these things if they cut the price to a grand or so. Brand new never fired LWRC SMGPB45B8S SMG .45 ACP 8.50" 25+1 Black Hard Coat Anodized SB Tactical Folding Subgun Brace Stock, with Holosun AEMS sight. Nothing. I can't wait to see how the 9mm version shoots! It's a great gun but we prefer the B&T APC45 to the LWRC SMG. This has never been shot. Sponsored Content $449.00 Diablo 12 Gauge Pistol Nickel with Rosewood Fin. They seem to attract a certain level of tomfuckery that other guns dont. They did indicate it would be using 9mm UMP-pattern magazines as well. This gun comes with 4 x 25 round magazines. inclined who could definitely screw this process up I'm hoping something as simple as this Is part of the problem . Yea gets worse if you add a can. I hope they can get the price down to more realistic levels It didnt work out so well. My SMG-45 and REPR MKII (6.5-CM) are the LAST two I'd vote off the island. But hoo-eee it aint cheap at an MSRP of $2,995. Compare prices for 850006403509 - LWRC International SMG Pistol 45 ACP SMGPB45B8S from all vendors. Meet the first model in the SMG Family - the new LWRCI SMG .45 Pistol. pscipio03 Fun O' Meter on FULL Joined Mar 11, 2013 SMG-45LWRCISIX8ICAR-15AR-15 UMP SMG-45 2016LWRCIUMPSMG-45 SMG-458.51:16.57828.40/45SMG-45LWRCI Cant say enough good things about it. I have a UMP clone built off an Omega Shadow upper that runs great.
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