B: CGTrader needs to do SOMETHING about all the damn undercutters. So here on CGt I could have just asked the buyer if he would be interested in that sort of deal. I can see how 3D modeling and 3D printing can be connected, but even that has to have a clear border for the customer. In my understanding, for CG models, there are three main trends : large public with various expectations and low budget (roughly, poser people) ; professionals needing a good quality model quick and ready to pay for that (roughly, TS buyers), programmers wanting to create video games in search of game ready assets. To be honest, when I first found this site a few days ago I was really excited. I guess CGTrader should send out advertising to the companies, but I'm sure they are doing/done it already. Turbosquid immediately shuts any links down. Here at CGtrader you can do all of that and much much more which is awesome!! It's true. The problem is that the site is not able to get a clear separation between CG and 3D printing. However, probably allot of us silently disagree on how we are treated as artist on places like Ts. So good luck "shopping elsewhere" dear customer, this is turning into a monopoly slaughterhouse and a 3D warzone. I remember fighting them at length to try to put my brand name withing the model description or my website link and eventually lost the battle. Think about your future: We are looking for contributors. I like how there is no join up fee. "don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all?". Then came price guarantee on Ts and now I had a problem, the part I was now successfully serving on CGt I would not want to risk losing back to Ts, nor would I want to lose those few that kept buying my higher priced models there. TurboSquid be avoided guys! Without checkmate Turbosquid would have gone out of business. Honestly I feel that it would be better to sell n bit slower that to have your models stolen. They then review the model and contact seller to fix it. Gumroad. @ Supercigaleha, ha, a good point about ,,the famous CheckMate,, :) TS . But i think its not only the responsability of cgtrader to turn this around. Those are very interesting ideas to develop for the future. - CGTrader pays immediately; TS waits until the end of the month. One of the biggest problems in this country is that the games and film studios are becoming a bit of a joke and not getting the funding they used to have. I would like to see similar stats from other sellers, but CGtrader has been the 3D marketplace with the higher increase in sales for us without a doubt. adentonclark is 100 percent correct in this regard! Just uploading on turbosquid is a pain in the butt. Its great way to compete and fair . I'm a bit afraid there's always going to be issues that leaves this community divided, leaving CGpeople with a platform not able to live up to its full potential and leaving 3D print people with a platform not living up to its full potential either. The reason the model is sold at low price .some models have so many other sellers which can lose models value . Is it fair if I do? I think this game can only be won by the best community building force and that is CGt. They lie about your rights on Turbosquid. In fact my sells on TS are actually going down while they go up on CGt. Site issues? Yes, buyers has free will to express their opinion about model, but in case of negative feedback such opinion should be reasonable and motivated. A shitstorm war is going on between the "Wisdom" brothers & their Top $ Corporate Investors against Marius' CGtrader, who is leading the inclusive people that don't dance to the song of dangling shiny coins in front of their eyes just for the time being and the now. There is other sellers that don't have any problem doing the same: - Moderating some pointless threads opened by people using CGtrader as an advertising platform for their own website without even selling a single object here We will rather stick with cgtrader and know our models are safe, although the issue with finding CG models on the site is a little problem, but as long as they stay honest well be supporting them rather than supporting a bunch of thiefs and if we need to up our prices then so be it. To my repliers: If you look at the traffic statistics, TS ranks around 9k top sites, and CGT at around 42k, so obviously, people buy more at TS not because they want to spoil the sellers, but rather because they don't come to CGTrader enough and their first place to search is TS. See ourPrivacy Policyfor more information. I was thinking about searching for specific 3d models through a site like Google, not generic visitation standing of a whole site, which in itself doesn't tell anything about what clients look for. That's what I'm saying all the time and what I didn't like because I was not selling models for 3d printing and reason why I left. 2. TS beside ripping off taxes have a terrible support, I just was told in the civilized manner to F OFF, as I complained on an admin who kept my 3D model suspended for over 4 days. Beautifully put IterateCGI, let's hope it is signal for more than just Tubro's downfall, but hopefully the downfall of treating 3D creators like shit. Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. I got a bunch of scanned statues sold for 3D printing, some sci-fi characters that are obviously copyright infringements because made from movie licences, and, at the best, less than 1/2 of original characters models, many of them not being displayed because of "adult content". For this, it is certainly the most pleasant place to sell models I know right now. Money in short term does not always pay of in long run. it is a sad reality, some sellers are ready to buy a model of their competitor to post a bad rating. patna Escorts Service I think I like the another item the modeler has created (Modern Villa), but that item is $40. 5. If it is true that other sites are taking a higher margin and a larger slice of profit share, they have some kind of capital to work magic with, both with artists who are accepting less and buyers who are paying more. my main income its still TS. We left TS account and getting occasional spam regarding the prices from them. Search is arguably most important feature of stocks and search in TS is head and shoulders (and then some more) above search in CGT. Turbosquid just has it backwards. This site is bloated with 3D print ready models, crap models and "adult content / i cant see it". i like the points system on cg trader . This would be a really good way of encouraging buyers to come spend their money on CGtrader where they can find what they want faster than on other sites. No frankly, it's a bloody mystery. Yes you are right Zet! However, the behavior of these clients kept me thinking and I had some dilemmas about what was actually going on here. If you think life is hard as a buyer you should try modeling for a living Making any money is a truly miserable experience. That place is dead for me. You are just providing a platform." Marius knows this very well as he (whenever he can) communicates whit us. Care to share your time machine? By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use. In this case the fastest support can not help. Change Method. Full collections of objects for 12 bucks is NOT okay. i think they both have there place . In fact, 61% comes out against 40%, since the paypal commission on cgtrader is borne by the seller, the site pays commission on turbosquid. But if you are on Turbosquid as an exclusive sale (models will be sold only on the website TurboSquid), Cgtrader can lose and this position, in favor of TS I am getting more sales on Cgtrader than TS though :P and CGtrader is easier to use. Although I agree the presentation of CGtraders home page is heavily focused at 3D printing, NoneCG did not suffer ANY drop in sales. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. I like this site more, because, firstly, it has a much more pleasant and understandable interface, gives a higher percentage of the sale (on a TS, it looks more like a tip if you are not a member of their club), and generally it works more stable. This is new era, time of old fashioned corporatism is going to be over. Which is good, since we are the ones who will bring in the profits. Rigged 3D Models | CGTrader 3D Models Buy or download free Rigged 3D Models Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. Yes. So what's needed? I think that they keep the 3D models as a curtsey only or to serve as samples that could at a later date be turned into prints. They also have multiple sellers selling the same products so that it is easier for people to avoid people paying for shipping in their country. They customize those figures anyway you want. If you look around on the net on all the various forums everyone always mentions Turbosquid be it positively or negatively. I'm suggesting a collective of store owners. These people quote Sun Tzu when you talk to them, so guess their future plans for you. I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? Hopefully that would make squids to react. The more people ho place your item in their stores the higher your ranking for that product gets "in the pool that is". This would allow genuine potential buyers to check the quality of models. It would be mess. CGT is the only website that really understand both the artists and customer needs! - Are you interested in just some quick cash grabs and extras here and there while you can, or would you like to be able to contribute to a fair market where you can make a living out of your passion? just needs more publicity.. us designers need to market the site with our products at the rate one of my designs is going ill have more facebook likes/shares than the website itself has on one design But they can still contact the artist for fixing issues directly here on CGTrader. Chat with Support 24/7 This concept is not new and it seems to work well over here (http://market.envato.com/) But Also Turbosquid actively promotes models on their site with the use o. Check my store https://apkvisa.com/dungeon-quest-mod-apk/, Very motivating and supportive too.Hope you keep on sharing a greater amount of your ideas. Open a Support Ticket, Licensing questions?Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager. What would be your opinion? I was 2 times victim of credit card fraud on Ts, never happened on CGt so far. Rigged models are great for art projects, games, movies or VR experiences, because they save a lot of development time. That takes longer time. former the 3d studio, 3D export, creative crash and Turbosquid). Also could you elaborate on the search and going backwards issue? If I compare him with the founder of Ts, then it becomes clear to me we have a completely different relationship. (2034950) 3D [quote]1. You could have a superman body with an iron man head and spiderman gloves. Next we would have the sales/customers feedback factor coming in to sort out the stores ranking. On the other hand, reason for refund should be solid. If anyone has been to New York they will have noticed that Fao Swartz a toy store in the center of Manhattan is creating 3D printable action figures. Let me explain - I like the look of the models here, but the site is even designed so end users, like me, can't even download more that 10 "free" items unless they've uploaded models of their own, written tutorials, posted topics to the forum (which is difficult if you're not an actual modeler) and/or jumped through about 1,500 other ridiculous hoops to get enough "reputation" points. I still get more sales on TS, despite having adjusted all prices to compensate their extortions. ,,The only thing that has cgtrader extra is the freelance job,,?? That basically says paying customers aren't allowed access to supposedly "free" items. From moment I have enough things to sell here, I would come clean with myself and close my TS account with great pleasure. . My friend didn't get any support. Allot of snags and details need to be worked out in order to make this sorts of things happen but the main idea here is to have complimentary forces working together to make a better product. "TurboSquid Support, Jun 20, 08:14 SST: From buyer perspective, i think CGTrader also have lots of advantages. and we lived the evolution of Turbosquid from being a pioneer of the 3D assets market working alongside the real content developers to become a typical corporation with financial backing from angel investors that only cares about financial results and is trying to strive the 3D market towards a monopoly where they can control both the producers and the customers, where acting as just a middleman gets Turbosquid the most profit from both. And precisely here is where I think resides the greater problem. CGTrader has a good plateform for selling already licensed things files but not selling the licence,your trapped into owning the licence. Renderer: Cyclse. You can change your subscription preferences at any time in the account settings. But there are questions that are not achievable for TS, and they will not go to such steps, and it is this: 1. In my personal opinion TS is working very hard towards buyers and exploits sellers as much as they can, well except few chosen ones, while CGT is taking great care about sellers, but leaving buyers somewhat aside. Unlike Turbosquid which has remained practically the same since it was created and that actually has become dodgier over time as they have been adding more and more hoops for artists to jump through just to upload a basic model CGT has been great about constantly listening to it's artists needs and made great improvements! Dear adentonclark, Sure, but I won't rinse and repeat the whole uploading process if it happens though. People may think that having that option makes it more likely for sellers to see their work by placing their models in the incorrect category but actually that just irritates buyers who may just go elsewhere to buy. You are clearly one of the professional buyers who doesn't take advantage of the system but there are so many out there who do that and 3D sites are beginning to try to safe guard their artist's work by not making it so easy to just get everything you want for free. Chat with Support 24/7 CGtrader has been growing steadily faster than Turbosquid for several years, that's why they are making this desperate "first blood" move asking their Investors for an extra cash to buy Sellers out against Marius and his people, with the promise that they will fuck you to death later once the war is won for the #SquidClan. This is why: Most people don't care a bit about all this. Using TurboSquid 3D Models in Virtual Worlds. video services, 3D viewers, social media , crowd funding platforms, etc.) Of course, as CGT reputation grows, this may change in the future (CGTrader has already beaten The3Dstudio in terms of statistics, but you also have to take into account that there are certainly a very significant amount of people coming here for 3D-printing only, which decreases the statistics in terms of regular CG models). What insane kind of practice is that, who owns the work then? I experienced this on other topics like the challenges, where CGT team took some ideas into consideration and applied some of them. I see no point in closing when you might as well keep it open and get a couple sales. Got my model (https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/furniture/cabinet/handles-vol-01-pbr) If CGT would manage to draw more buyers from TS then even more sellers would migrate here. They recently changed their search engine over there and when you search for Free models it comes up with a few free ones and many more paid ones so from that perspective Turbosquid makes your life even harder lol. Also, trying to find an item that I already saw through the search is near impossible. What, iterateCGI goos down? Old thread but still relevant, do yourself a favour and cut back on the seafood, delete TS bookmarks and make progress here. My opinions have evoluted over the months. Dude, I have from 500$ a month at SGtride and i don't feed fat Turbosquid bastards. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). A man can dream on :]. The claim Turbosquid made was that it infringed on Games Workshop IPs. Absurd as it may sound, a lot of customers doesn't even make a simple "XXXX 3D model" search and go to Turbosquid just because that's a name they heard before. Considering it as a seller, CGtrader is NOT better because I have almost no sales at all while I have about 10 sales every month on TS. Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. just share your links (: I like both but prefer cgtrader all day. I don't get paid until the 3rd, but I thought I'd download some things, look at their quality, fill up a cart and get prepared to purchase when the money comes around. The stores/collections idea sounds good but maybe a simpler voting system for any product/seller will give an easy ranking system to take in count for search results among other factors. I'm probably leaving this site for good, but it won't be because of you guys - it's because of the site itself. But I think that CheckMate was especially created to bring artists to exclusivity, rather than promote quality. its hard to run such a business so i hope cgtrader will survive in the future. If a model you like does not have a suitable file format, be sure to see whether the designer offers free file conversions for the model. However, if you are found to be out of compliance again, your collection will be taken offline for a more extended period of time. You don't even seem to get reputation points for purchasing items, assuming I've read the page correctly, and if that is the case it's just dumb. The sellers for which, CGtrader liked can help for this resource. Ts went head on and contacted me (I was probably among list of targeted folks at that time, Ts previously also contacted me to make some shady deals which I rejected), now they requested me to lower my prices according to new price grantee model. A good ref point is that your average laptop with Dual Pentium 2 gigahertz processor 8 GB of ram will start having issues when running over 200,000 polygons. - Limiting, perhaps, the number of objects that can be uploaded in a row, to avoid having the front page confiscated by a single seller when ticking the "newest" filter. If a company like Disney or NASA buys a model at TS, they advertise it as "Turbosquid customers buying Turbosquid models". The art is to do it structurally organized and easily navigable and then it is a matter of giving the people the right tools and they will do the rest issue I think. This is due to discrimination in the pricing policy of the "TS" site. However, fear of losing sales kept me both on Ts and CGt for long time (not liked it). Maybe they have a much deeper interaction with the clients? These changes are part of the new TurboSquid Best Price Guarantee (https://resources.squid.io/?p=14893) in which we are assuring TurboSquid customers that they can always find the lowest prices on our site. So i need to try to make money with my models as long as possible, means as long it is not uploaded to anywhere else. I don't know if Turbo Squid allows licence ownership to be transferred as i never got that far with them. BUT this is still not as infuriating as a personal account falling once a month with all the statistics! A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. Of course if you are buying models for the next Transformers movie the poly count won't matter that much because those models may be 500,000 each and you have almost unlimited resources to run those. The clients like to waste money for a more expensive model at TSquid, perhaps knowing that the artist will get shafted with a measly 40% return, and that's that. Hi guys, thanks so much for your very valuable comments, they are much appreciated and we are very happy to work with you in order to make CGTrader the best place for 3D designers! If you think life is hard as a buyer you should try modeling for a living Making any money is a truly miserable experience. when cgtrader change his frontpage i stop selling products bad :(. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/landmark/notre-dame-de-paris-cathedral-61d97afb1b1a62861673c23f15b75c12, All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. He earns trust in this way and we know everything stands or falls with the coming and going of trust. http://content.screencast.com/users/Lenwe/folders/Default/media/96a1c5f2-d18b-4e5c-ab3c-01bd5189b9ca/TurboSquid_Monopoly.png Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. For example, make affiliation partnerships between people/storeowners possible. Payment Method Founded in 2000, Turbosquid has championed growth in the 3D space through partnerships with leaders in the industry. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment Check out our picks of the best sites to download free 3D models for 3D printing, games & animation, graphic design, architecture, and more. @skifx, apparently your feeding hand is just too small. What's lacking? We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. But they must realise that attracting more buyers only through more aggresive marketing is not enough. --GENERAL--. This is not a "fight" between NoneCG and Turbosquid, but a struggle between different ways of doing business: the classic closed market or a more open one based on a Fair Business model and full comunication between the producer, the marketer and the customer. So even if TS takes 60%, I still make better profit there because here I get 94% of nothing. CGtrader better is : Design,User friendly,royalties etc all better . Reputation for promptly fixing problems? This place is indeed different and allot closer to what we actually need, I can't imagine the core principal on witch this place is founded would change as it will prove to be the one and only way to be future proof in this supper connected world. Thanks for sharing Your experience and thoughts. No, I don't think it's just about SEO. The last handful of successful high end 3D studios still buy those models because they know that the scenes have to be clean, geometry has no odd manifold or abnormal issues and the modelers have to jump through all kinds of hoops to ensure the quality of the model including providing high quality 360 renders. And for good sales you don't need to be there neither because its just your own clients you swing to them. The items from CG and TS do not appear very far from each other in Google. The motivation to backlink and make marketing efforts for the own store (and the collective trademark ad the same time) would probable also increase. While i've heard that TS support isn't that great in practice and they always tend to exploit sellers, but impression that they're making on buyers must be really good. Cgtrader better sell my shoes here than ts.plus webmoney plus royalty rate. They should make more effort to advertise. Chat with Support 24/7 You must create a huge hype and create things that are unique and that connect with people. I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? (Edge loops, quad poly, simple overall structure) Full Rigged with over 30 facial blendshapes and 20+ skin morph targets in order to produce better rig quality and remove some joints issues such as overlaped knees, stretched hips, etc. And if the buyer sees one and the same model on CGT and on TS, then the price will choose on CGTrader [/quote] Of those limited people just a hand full would actually buy models or put money towards models so if TS already has won those people we need to find our own nitch or we go out of business. Maybe some people don't want to bother about different programs compatibility, while others don't mind to spent time configuring things in different applications. and resurrect it without that 3dprinting nonsense. --GENERAL--. - CGTrader pays a LOT more than TS; TS *keeps* 60% unless you sell exclusively on their site and join their "Squid Guild". I agree to what captainmarlowe is telling. [http://www.google.com google5 ] I removed the download limit until we update the protection so that buyers can download much larger quantities of free models. I'm not sure about your analysis. So it was sorted in your favor afterall? Search is terrible, and lost if you have to go backwards a page. This way we let buyers know that cgtrader got some interesting stuff. The rumour that they can "borrow" models for check-out before buy to particularly trustworthy clients could also be true. I removed all products from TS. You just have to check the Sellers forum at Turbosquid to see plenty of complaints about all sorts of abusive policies. Maybe I live in an unrealistic parallel reality, where at least some people still have some dignity and know how and when to differentiate good vs evil and take a public stand with actions instead of just words. TS has terrible support, i had stupid responses from them during my interaction with them. - Guides/Tips for sellers regarding prices/quality to minimize the undercutters problem. Prices do not include additional fees, such as shipping . It's all fine and CGT rocks the socks off the competition. Some people mistaken de renders for real items already, can imagine how that would be on Ebay or amazon. Here is a quick test that can help understand why there aren't so many buyers. This is a bit OT, but although I obviously ain't a squidguild member, I always try to design objects that are "checkmate" compliant to be sure that my models are OK, and I also beta test the .OBJ version in a lot of other applications that LW to be sure that they upload without hassle) Large studios with "turbosquid" collaborate very limitedly. And IMHO search is an area where CGT shoul focus first. The first thing you see is almost only 3D printing assets. If you are a buyer you don't have a lot of time to find what you want especially if you are buying on behalf of your company. I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there" Yeah nasty stuff, but hey, I better shut up because I'm one of the hypocrites that keeps supporting that place by having my work on it. Say you happen to be a great render and lighting specialist but not so well a modeler, you see this nice models that have potential but the presentation is very bad (from good modeler with no render skills). That's how they won and that is how you succeed in business. So just to be constructive (and this will be my last post here, because I don't want to hijack the thread anymore, here are some ideas : Even when Ts would sell more models it does not mean they serve you well, because it is not. A: TurboS*swearword-here* will start to DOWNTICK PRICES to match them to "other selling sites" on customer complaint, so I will remove every model they demand for down-adjustment, and I'm sure I won't be alone in this. Important only is that there buy many people. They will be very enlightening and useful to you especially if you have never built 3D models and don't know what to expect. Hell, I even remember writing years ago to Matt Wisdom (TS Founder & CEO), Beau Perschall (VP of Business Dev) and other people at the management staff about the "no-brainer" choice for sellers regarding going exclusive into the "Squid Guild" or not, because after a group of sellers collected our stats and compared our earnings (for similar periods of time being exclusive and not) all of us ended with the clear conclusion that we were losing revenue being exclusive to TS instead of selling in all markets no single answer was received from any TS management staff member. According to me ,in the future, more a 3DMarketplace will be open more it will take to success. TurboCrooks should be boycotted by artists since they are the one responsible for the situation! Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. What I saw after that was a 50 to 50 ration decrease on Ts and increase on my CGt account. I am new starter here.
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